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once again change are in red

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Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2.

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Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen of Somerset can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen of Somerset can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. Breach of this law is a moderate crime defines in article 2.1.2 and 2.1.3. And removal of is candidature by the king. And if elected will have is access refuse to the proper chamber.

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Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

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Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

The duties of the moderator are:
i. Starting the official debate thread
ii. Collecting question of the citizens of Somerset
iii. Posting question of the citizens
iv. Waiting two days for each list have two days to answer
v. Giving two days for rebuttal to original question
vi. Power to ask censors to remove any post that go against the debate rules
vii. In case of violation of the election laws by someone in the debate referring the case to the Public Procurer.


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Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action during county election. Violation of this article will result by the immediate exile sentence of Somerset for 6 month and a fine of 500 pounds. Failure to comply with the exile sentence will result by death sentence has long the person remain in Somerset and has many time needed.
Definition of electoral action is and not limited to promoting a list or negative advertises of any list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to somerset citizens.


Removal of the JBS article because of lack of participation causing too much judicial trouble.

The article will remain in archive if in the future someone is ready to take charge and citizens ready to participate in such project.

The book will look like that:

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003 Book III - The Procedures
Book III – The Procedures.

Article 1 – Constable procedure.

Art. 3.1.1.: The police force is in charge of investigating violations of the penal code, to collect proof and to identify the accused. If all the proof is already made public, they make their report to the judicial system (Public prosecutor and judge) which shall proceed with the case.

Art. 3.1.2. : The police force is responsible for verifying the quality and the truth of any proof they will present to the court.

Art. 3.1.3. :The police force:
i.The Constable;
ii. The Police officers called the Lieutenant.
iii. The Police sub-officers call the Corporal.

Art. 3.1.4. : The police force have duties to collect the testimony of the victims of crime and to transmit it, if the case is needed, to the police service or judicial service of the territory where the crime had been committed.

Art. 3.1.5. : The police officers have the duty to inform the public prosecutor of the crimes they know without delay. When the police investigation is finished, they must provide the report and every document related to the case to the public prosecutor. The report must have the name and rank of the police officer in charge of the investigation.

Art. 3.1.6. : The police officers can also listen to any person that can provide information about the case they investigate. They should make reports out of this information they collect.
The person, who might seem that there is no reason to press charges against, can only be restrained for the time of their interrogation.
The police officer can, for the necessity of investigation, put under preventive detention any person that they have reasonable doubt to have committed the crime, and inform the public prosecutor of the fact at the beginning of the detention.
The person under arrest cannot be detained more then necessary. But the detention can be longer if the public prosecutor authorizes it.
Under the instruction of the public prosecutor, after sufficient proof have been collected, the person in preventive detention can be put in trial or set free.*


Art. 3.1.7. : The police officers have the duty to inform the victims of their rights:
i. That they can make a complaint against a criminal and volunteer themselves as witness before the court.
ii. As a witness, they can be assisted by a lawyer; the judge can assign a lawyer if they don’t have any. The victim pays the fee for the lawyer if the lawyer requires a fee.
iii. That they can be helped by any group or guild to be a proper witness.
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* The preventive detention is only role-play, the one that refuse to play it will be consider guilty.



Article 2 – Ambassadors procedure.

Art. 3.2.1. : Any ambassador is an official agent of the Duchy council and must make an oath of allegiance to the Duke.

Art. 3.2.2. : Each ambassador may be assigned to one or more of all the Duchies and Counties in all kingdoms

Art. 3.2.3. : Ambassadors must make themselves known to their assigned Duchy after assignation, and make contact with their counterpart.

Art. 3.2.4. : Ambassadors must use diplomacy and avoid the use of any violent language against anoher Duchy, except under the order of the Somerset Duchy council.

Art. 3.2.5. : The ambassador has the duty to communicate any treaty requests to the duchy council of Somerset, and can also propose treaties after the Somerset council approve the idea.

Art. 3.2.6. : The ambassador as a duchy agent has diplomatic immunity. To arrest and/or put into detention a Somerset ambassador is recognized as an act of war by the duchy council.

Art. 3.2.7. : Any ambassador can be removes from their office by a simple order of the duke.

Art. 3.2.8. : Any ambassador that fail in their duty will be charged with treason against Somerset duchy.

Article 3 – Defence Counsel procedure.

Art. 3.3.1. : The Defence Counsel is a person that offer their service to defend someone or help a witness in the judicial process of the court. They can charge a fee for their service.

Art. 3.3.2. : The Defence Counsel must be recognized by the county council to be able to work in Somerset as an official lawyer for the county.

Art. 3.3.3. : The Defence Counsel must have not commit any crime except slavery in the past 6 months in any kingdom of the world, or should have received official forgiveness by the Regent of England or the Duke of Somerset.

Art. 3.3.4. : The Defence Counsel, when hired by someone, can ask to have access to all reports that the prosecutor have on this case, and the prosecutor must make all reports available to Defence Council. If the proof cannot be shown and is private due to security reason, then the Defence Counsel must keep it private and if he doesn’t, his right to practice in Somerset will be revoked and will be charged with treason against Somerset.

Art. 3.3.5. : At any time the duchy council can revoke the right to practice to a person who practices as Defence Counsel. All cases already in Court with that person as the Defence Counsel can continue with that person as Defence Counsel. No new cases can be taken up by the person.


Article 4 – Duchy council procedure.

Art. 3.4.1. : Every elected member to the duchy council has the right to access the council room. This right can be removed if the elected person has been convicted of any crime except slavery in the past 6 months in the Kingdom of England. If the person is sentenced as guilty during their term, immediately after been found guilty, he/she will be remove from the council room. Exception is made if the person receives forgiveness from the King of England or the Regent of England or the Duke of Somerset for the crime.

Art. 3.4.2. : All information given in the private council room forum is private. The only persons that can get information out is the Spokesperson, or any other council member that receives authorization to do so by the Duke. Any councillor that violates this article will be charged with high treason against Somerset duchy and can be sentenced to death or exile.

Discussion and voting related to the following subjects can only be held in the private council room :
i) All types of treaties
ii) Army, constabulary force, security proposals
iii) Trade
iv) Any proposal that the councilor who proposes it requests to be dicussed and voted on in the private council room

Art. 3.4.3. : Any council member can make a proposal. This proposal will be put in discussion for two days and must have the word Discussion before it in the topic subject. After two days have passed, if the proposal is considered as a real proposal by the rest of the council, it is then put to vote for two days if the vote is to be cast in the council forum room. For voting in game, the time of the vote will be determined by the IG system.

Art. 3.4.4. : For a proposal to revise existing laws or make new laws : The proposal must have the wording, the article and the book of the Legal Corpus in which it should be put. If any of these requirements are not met, the proposal is considered nullified.

Art. 3.4.5. : A proposal is approved when a simple majority of the council members approve it by vote, subject to the time period of the vote.

Art. 3.4.6. : The council member is a high official in the Duchy, thus they should act in accordance. Any councilor that insult, make false accusation or attack the honour of another council member can have their right to access to the council forums removed by the Duke after a vote have been cast to the council room about their banishment.

Art. 3.4.7.: The Council positions of Count, Judge, Trade Minister and Sheriff may not be occupied by one who also holds the office of Mayor of any town in Somerset.

Art. 3.4.8.:The Council positions of Public Prosecutor and Constable may not be occupied by one who also holds the office of Mayor of any town in Somerset, unless no other viable candidate is available for these positions.

Art. 3.4.9.:No restrictions apply to the Council positions of Mines Superintendent, Sergeant, Spokesman and Captain.


Article 5 –Duchy and mayoral election procedure.

Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen of Somerset can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen of Somerset can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. Breach of this law is a moderate crime defines in article 2.1.2 and 2.1.3. And removal of is candidature by the king. And if elected will have is access refuse to the proper chamber.

Art. 3.5.2.: Any person who has been convicted in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months for any crime other than slavery shall be barred from holding any office in the Duchy of Somerset or her towns. Such a person is barred from registering a list for county council elections or being a member of a county election list posted by someone else. Such a person is also barred from registering as a mayoral candidate in any town of Somerset.

Criminals that have received forgiveness for their crime(s) by the King of England, or the Regent of England, or the Duke of Somerset are exempt from the terms of this article.
They can also approach the Somerset County council with a request for permission to register their candidature for a mayoral election, or post a county election list, or belong to a county election list posted by someone else. The council will then vote on the matter, with the vote lasting for 3 days and simple majority is required to grant the request.

Any person who has been convicted of any crime other than slavery in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months and who has either posted a list for the county council elections, or is running on someone else’s county election list, or has registered for a mayoral race without the authorization of the council or a pardon from the King of England or Regent of England or Duke of Somerset will be brought in front of the judge for trial for public disorder. If found guilty, such a person will face a punishment of a minimum of a 300 pound fine to a maximum of a 1000 pound fine.

Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

The duties of the moderator are:
i. Starting the official debate thread
ii. Collecting question of the citizens of Somerset
iii. Posting question of the citizens
iv. Waiting two days for each list have two days to answer
v. Giving two days for rebuttal to original question
vi. Power to ask censors to remove any post that go against the debate rules
vii. In case of violation of the election laws by someone in the debate referring the case to the Public Procrurer.


Art. 3.5.4: Each election debate should start 20 days before the election or later if no moderator has been found.

Art. 3.5.5: Each official list can nominate two member of its list to debate. And only the list nominees may participate in the debate. An official list is defined as a list that has paid the cash requirement and all its list members have confirmed.

Art 3.5.6: Any member of a list that use false accusation or attack the honor of any other candidate will be subject to a trial for public disorder.

Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action during county election. Violation of this article will result by the immediate exile sentence of Somerset for 6 month and a fine of 500 pounds. Failure to comply with the exile sentence will result by death sentence has long the person remain in Somerset and has many time needed.
Definition of electoral action is and not limited to promoting a list or negative advertises of any list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to somerset citizens.

Suggestion. modification, better english. Don't be shy propose it.


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Great Hypno, good job, i like the new 3.5.7. article also.

If you can modify this and be like .......in Town taverns, or in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol etc...

Cause someone can claim that this is only for the town hall tavern law and doeasn't says about his private tavern in town... study
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Lord_Justinan wrote:
Great Hypno, good job, i like the new 3.5.7. article also.

If you can modify this and be like .......in Town taverns, or in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol etc...

Cause someone can claim that this is only for the town hall tavern law and doeasn't says about his private tavern in town... study

I just modified it, thank good idea
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Seems ok!
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PostSubject: Re: Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset   Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset Icon_minitimeSat Jun 16, 2007 3:39 am

Hypno wrote:
once again change are in red

Original article:

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Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2.

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Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen of Somerset can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen of Somerset can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. Breach of this law is a moderate crime defines in article 2.1.2 and 2.1.3. And removal of is candidature by the king. And if elected will have is access refuse to the proper chamber.

I agree with this change however I believe law 3.5.2 should be changed as well to the following.

Art. 3.5.2.: Any person who has been convicted in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months for any crime other than slavery or defamation shall be barred from holding any office in the Duchy of Somerset or her towns. Such a person is barred from registering a list for county council elections or being a member of a county election list posted by someone else. Such a person is also barred from registering as a mayoral candidate in any town of Somerset.

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Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

Addition to article:

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Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

The duties of the moderator are:
i. Starting the official debate thread
ii. Collecting question of the citizens of Somerset
iii. Posting question of the citizens
iv. Waiting two days for each list have two days to answer
v. Giving two days for rebuttal to original question
vi. Power to ask censors to remove any post that go against the debate rules
vii. In case of violation of the election laws by someone in the debate referring the case to the Public Procurer.


I agree however do we really want to spend 4 days on one question.
I think two days should be sufficient for response and rebuttal particularly with two representatives.
If a candidate can't be active enough to respond to a question in two days do we really want them as a responsible elected official?


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Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action during county election. Violation of this article will result by the immediate exile sentence of Somerset for 6 month and a fine of 500 pounds. Failure to comply with the exile sentence will result by death sentence has long the person remain in Somerset and has many time needed.
Definition of electoral action is and not limited to promoting a list or negative advertises of any list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to somerset citizens.


I don't agree with this at all. Doesn't the death sentence seem a "little" harsh?
In addition, with it being proposed by the leader of a county based party as opposed to a national party it is politically biased.


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Removal of the JBS article because of lack of participation causing too much judicial trouble.

The article will remain in archive if in the future someone is ready to take charge and citizens ready to participate in such project
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I totally agree with this. It was a nice idea but impractical.

As stated above I would also propose that law 3.5.2 be changed to read:


Art. 3.5.2.: Any person who has been convicted in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months for any crime other than slavery or dafamation shall be barred from holding any office in the Duchy of Somerset or her towns. Such a person is barred from registering a list for county council elections or being a member of a county election list posted by someone else. Such a person is also barred from registering as a mayoral candidate in any town of Somerset.



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PostSubject: Re: Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset   Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset Icon_minitimeSat Jun 16, 2007 5:14 am

I don't agree with the change of article 3.5.2. Slavery is something that can be made easy by mistake of a lick button what a defamation is not, that the only reason we exclude the slavery.

Second a person can always ask the council or the duke or the regent or the king for pardon. But someone that can't respect other at my sense have no place in a position that require diplomatic skill has counsellor in a county council or mayor.

But since their is the pardon or permission to run that can be given. I don'T see the trouble of the current way the article have been put.

For the 4 days of question, is that way that each debate has done since the first somerset election and even before the split ... that why i keep it that way. Because some party like us, when everyone to have a word on the reply that will be make by the nominee in the debate and that is completly normal and need time for everyone to read it and comment it.

Death sentence is the result of any breaking exile sentence. How you prupose to force a banishement or exil with out it. Is the only way to punish faillure to comply to a past sentence that is the higher sentence execpt for death.

Political biase will be to make an advantage that will suit only one party. That apply to all party and is euqal for everyone. Should I remind that county election are not England election. England election is the regent election and concern all English people. County election is politic at county level and concern only the county.

And if a list is incapable to do a campaign with out external help, i doubt he will be capable of doing is job in council with out having the outsider interfering in the wellfare of Somerset. The COUNTY council is there for the citizens of Somerset and defending the interrest of Somerset not the one of wiltshire or any other county.

And the past show clearly the trouble with gets each time some unwise party member from outside somerset enters a county election.

Last election is the best proof, and censors are tire of it, I am tire of it and three of the four council are tire of it.

Patron and CUE agree that a county election is suppose to be done by people of the county, only one party refuse that ...

That don't prevent someone from the same party to advise list members of somerset in their party forum or msn or other thing and at least will look better if it's a somerset citizens that do it.

And that will force a list to recruit more in somerset to do their electoral action and not count on outside help. What they need to develop if one day they want to rules somerset. Is not the Wiltshire council that will come here to help on trade, mines wage, resolve of conflict between somerset citizens. Is the somerset council
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PostSubject: Re: Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset   Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset Icon_minitimeSat Jun 16, 2007 9:38 am

Hypno wrote:
I don't agree with the change of article 3.5.2. Slavery is something that can be made easy by mistake of a lick button what a defamation is not, that the only reason we exclude the slavery.

My concern with defamation and article 3.5.2 being amended comes from the abuse of the defamation laws for political advantage as has already been done.
Anything can be twisted to fit into that law to suit the political agenda of assasination of the oppositions character.
I am not talking about someone calling another an *ssh*l* I am referring to an individual being railroaded using the defamation laws simplely because their opinion does not agree with those who control the process. That is not sufficient enough to ruin someone' life and political career. The law article should be changed to include defamation. That has absolutely nothing to do with someone's abilities to be a good and capable office holder.
It does not make them a criminal and this article was designed to keep criminals out of office.


Second a person can always ask the council or the duke or the regent or the king for pardon. But someone that can't respect other at my sense have no place in a position that require diplomatic skill has counsellor in a county council or mayor.

But since their is the pardon or permission to run that can be given. I don'T see the trouble of the current way the article have been put.

If the people who railroaded the individual are the ones who control the pardon process then there is no recourse for them. It is political abuse at it's lowest.

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But someone that can't respect other at my sense have no place in a position that require diplomatic skill has counsellor in a county council or mayor.

Would that include someone who is totally biased against one certain party and ALL of it's members regardless? To the point of using their political position to continuously attack and belittle that group and ALL it's members unjustly in public and undermine their given freedoms?

For the 4 days of question, is that way that each debate has done since the first somerset election and even before the split ... that why i keep it that way. Because some party like us, when everyone to have a word on the reply that will be make by the nominee in the debate and that is completly normal and need time for everyone to read it and comment it.

I was thinking that 24 hours was allowed for responses and another 24 for rebuttals.
I guess it doesn't matter really since no questions are proposed to the Moderator by the public anyway.
Perhaps four days would be enough time to come up with a question.


Death sentence is the result of any breaking exile sentence. How you prupose to force a banishement or exil with out it. Is the only way to punish faillure to comply to a past sentence that is the higher sentence execpt for death.

Perhaps it should be stated that way. That the death sentence may be imposed if the banishment is violated.
It is still too harsh a sentence for such a frivilous law.


Political biase will be to make an advantage that will suit only one party. That apply to all party and is euqal for everyone. Should I remind that county election are not England election. England election is the regent election and concern all English people. County election is politic at county level and concern only the county.

And if a list is incapable to do a campaign with out external help, i doubt he will be capable of doing is job in council with out having the outsider interfering in the wellfare of Somerset. The COUNTY council is there for the citizens of Somerset and defending the interrest of Somerset not the one of wiltshire or any other county.

I don't believe that has ever happened. Is this a false statement ? Funny you mention Wiltshire by name. Is that defamation?
Anyone can post in any forum in England. It really has nothing to do with pragmatic ingame somerset politics. It is a frivilous annoyance at worse.


And the past show clearly the trouble with gets each time some unwise party member from outside somerset enters a county election.

As opposed to the unwise party members in somerset of which there are a few.

Last election is the best proof, and censors are tire of it, I am tire of it and three of the four council are tire of it.

The censors don't and should not have anything to do with county elections. Unfortunately recent events have shown otherwise. Actions have resulted in very biased conclusions and evidence of the prejudiced influences and obsessions that result in unfair and biased actions.

Patron and CUE agree that a county election is suppose to be done by people of the county, only one party refuse that ...

"Three of the four council"? You have made SNP, patrons and cue councils now. Are they discussing and proposing county business instead of it being proposed , discussed, and voted on in council.
"One party" does not refuse that so this is another false statement directed at a group as defamation. In fact the members on the list are mostly independents merely associated with that "one party" that you are so biased against. The list is not even run under that name.


That don't prevent someone from the same party to advise list members of somerset in their party forum or msn or other thing and at least will look better if it's a somerset citizens that do it.

And that will force a list to recruit more in somerset to do their electoral action and not count on outside help. What they need to develop if one day they want to rules somerset. Is not the Wiltshire council that will come here to help on trade, mines wage, resolve of conflict between somerset citizens. Is the somerset counci

Which is exactly what all partys do and believe including that "one party"
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PostSubject: Re: Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset   Revision of Book III of Legal Corpus of Somerset Icon_minitimeSat Jun 16, 2007 7:37 pm

Need we fight the battles of the last election season again, this far in advance of the next election? Here and now, we need to work on making Somerset a better place for its cicizens, whether they be SNP, UWS, XYZ, it doesn't matter the labels they may choose to be identified by. We have all collectively, and each separately, assumed positions within the County governing structure that require us to behave responsibly to meet the needs of the PEOPLE of this County.

We have, as a County, recently consummated a trade with a DD Trade Minister, using a grant jointly created by a CUS sheriff and an SNP Trade Minister, with a UWS trader delivering the "physical" goods. None of those people asked what party others may have belonged to. That's the spirit in which we need to work here. Last election was a debacle, the debate a fiasco and IT'S OVER! Who caused it, whether the censors were heavy handed, all of it is immaterial to getting on with the county's business.

Speaking of which:

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Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen of Somerset can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen of Somerset can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. Breach of this law is a moderate crime defines in article 2.1.2 and 2.1.3. And removal of is candidature by the king. And if elected will have is access refuse to the proper chamber.

The breach of this law already carries penalties in 3.5.2. I see no reason to make this addition. Perhaps appending this to 3.5.2: ,and removal of his/her candidature by the king. If elected, they will have their access to the council or mayoral chambers revoked. would serve as well.

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[quote]Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

The duties of the moderator are:
i. Starting the official debate thread
ii. Collecting questions of the citizens of Somerset
iii. Posting the citizens questions
iv. Waiting two days for each list to answer
v. Giving two days for rebuttal to original question
vi. Power to ask censors to remove any posts that violate the debate rules
vii. In case of violation of the election laws by someone in the debate referring the case to the Public Procurer.

I agree with this, and did minor editing for English only

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[color=red]Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action during a county election. Violation of this article will result by the immediate sentence of exile from Somerset for 6 month and a fine of up to 500 pounds. Failure to comply with the exile sentence will result by death sentence has long the person remain in Somerset and has many time needed.
Definition of electoral action includes, but is not limited to, promoting or denigrating any eletcion list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to Somerset citizens.


The green is mitigating language so that a smaller fine than 500 pounds can be issued. The blue I think should be stricken, or perhaps added as a separate clause covering failure to comply with exile sentences in general. I made minor changes for English as well.

Further, I disagree with the proposal to exempt the crime of defamation. I call for that issue to be resolved in a separate thread, and separate vote from the other changes. I agree with removing the JBS. While a wonderful intention, the lack of responses from the people of Somerset seem to indicate lack of interest in its maintenance.
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LadyMarshmallow pointed out to me that the blue text below isn't clear:

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Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action during county election. Violation of this article will result by the immediate exile sentence of Somerset for 6 month and a fine of 500 pounds. Failure to comply with the exile sentence will result by death sentence has long the person remain in Somerset and has many time needed.
Definition of electoral action is and not limited to promoting a list or negative advertises of any list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to somerset citizens.

Would this period be starting from the point that lists begin to be assembled in the Castle, from the point at which the election debates begin, or the actual voting period? I would prefer a wording like: beginning 14 days before the inception of voting and continuing through the voting period.
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election start the day we can put list that means -30 D-day until election day 30 days after ...
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Why not just remove the part in blue completely?

Can one of you please give access to the new SAS members from GC.
I don't know who is supposed to do it but it is not getting done. At least two new recruits are waiting for access.
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ok here so far with the change for better english or different suggestion that pass.

I will put that in vote IG during the day.

So please check for any typo or any other change you want:

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003 Book III - The Procedures
Book III – The Procedures.

Article 1 – Constable procedure.

Art. 3.1.1.: The police force is in charge of investigating violations of the penal code, to collect proof and to identify the accused. If all the proof is already made public, they make their report to the judicial system (Public prosecutor and judge) which shall proceed with the case.

Art. 3.1.2. : The police force is responsible for verifying the quality and the truth of any proof they will present to the court.

Art. 3.1.3. :The police force:
i.The Constable;
ii. The Police officers called the Lieutenant.
iii. The Police sub-officers call the Corporal.

Art. 3.1.4. : The police force have duties to collect the testimony of the victims of crime and to transmit it, if the case is needed, to the police service or judicial service of the territory where the crime had been committed.

Art. 3.1.5. : The police officers have the duty to inform the public prosecutor of the crimes they know without delay. When the police investigation is finished, they must provide the report and every document related to the case to the public prosecutor. The report must have the name and rank of the police officer in charge of the investigation.

Art. 3.1.6. : The police officers can also listen to any person that can provide information about the case they investigate. They should make reports out of this information they collect.
The person, who might seem that there is no reason to press charges against, can only be restrained for the time of their interrogation.
The police officer can, for the necessity of investigation, put under preventive detention any person that they have reasonable doubt to have committed the crime, and inform the public prosecutor of the fact at the beginning of the detention.
The person under arrest cannot be detained more then necessary. But the detention can be longer if the public prosecutor authorizes it.
Under the instruction of the public prosecutor, after sufficient proof have been collected, the person in preventive detention can be put in trial or set free.*


Art. 3.1.7. : The police officers have the duty to inform the victims of their rights:
i. That they can make a complaint against a criminal and volunteer themselves as witness before the court.
ii. As a witness, they can be assisted by a lawyer; the judge can assign a lawyer if they don’t have any. The victim pays the fee for the lawyer if the lawyer requires a fee.
iii. That they can be helped by any group or guild to be a proper witness.
__________________
* The preventive detention is only role-play, the one that refuse to play it will be consider guilty.



Article 2 – Ambassadors procedure.

Art. 3.2.1. : Any ambassador is an official agent of the Duchy council and must make an oath of allegiance to the Duke.

Art. 3.2.2. : Each ambassador may be assigned to one or more of all the Duchies and Counties in all kingdoms

Art. 3.2.3. : Ambassadors must make themselves known to their assigned Duchy after assignation, and make contact with their counterpart.

Art. 3.2.4. : Ambassadors must use diplomacy and avoid the use of any violent language against anoher Duchy, except under the order of the Somerset Duchy council.

Art. 3.2.5. : The ambassador has the duty to communicate any treaty requests to the duchy council of Somerset, and can also propose treaties after the Somerset council approve the idea.

Art. 3.2.6. : The ambassador as a duchy agent has diplomatic immunity. To arrest and/or put into detention a Somerset ambassador is recognized as an act of war by the duchy council.

Art. 3.2.7. : Any ambassador can be removes from their office by a simple order of the duke.

Art. 3.2.8. : Any ambassador that fail in their duty will be charged with treason against Somerset duchy.

Article 3 – Defence Counsel procedure.

Art. 3.3.1. : The Defence Counsel is a person that offer their service to defend someone or help a witness in the judicial process of the court. They can charge a fee for their service.

Art. 3.3.2. : The Defence Counsel must be recognized by the county council to be able to work in Somerset as an official lawyer for the county.

Art. 3.3.3. : The Defence Counsel must have not commit any crime except slavery in the past 6 months in any kingdom of the world, or should have received official forgiveness by the Regent of England or the Duke of Somerset.

Art. 3.3.4. : The Defence Counsel, when hired by someone, can ask to have access to all reports that the prosecutor have on this case, and the prosecutor must make all reports available to Defence Council. If the proof cannot be shown and is private due to security reason, then the Defence Counsel must keep it private and if he doesn’t, his right to practice in Somerset will be revoked and will be charged with treason against Somerset.

Art. 3.3.5. : At any time the duchy council can revoke the right to practice to a person who practices as Defence Counsel. All cases already in Court with that person as the Defence Counsel can continue with that person as Defence Counsel. No new cases can be taken up by the person.


Article 4 – Duchy council procedure.

Art. 3.4.1. : Every elected member to the duchy council has the right to access the council room. This right can be removed if the elected person has been convicted of any crime except slavery in the past 6 months in the Kingdom of England. If the person is sentenced as guilty during their term, immediately after been found guilty, he/she will be remove from the council room. Exception is made if the person receives forgiveness from the King of England or the Regent of England or the Duke of Somerset for the crime.

Art. 3.4.2. : All information given in the private council room forum is private. The only persons that can get information out is the Spokesperson, or any other council member that receives authorization to do so by the Duke. Any councillor that violates this article will be charged with high treason against Somerset duchy and can be sentenced to death or exile.

Discussion and voting related to the following subjects can only be held in the private council room :
i) All types of treaties
ii) Army, constabulary force, security proposals
iii) Trade
iv) Any proposal that the councilor who proposes it requests to be dicussed and voted on in the private council room

Art. 3.4.3. : Any council member can make a proposal. This proposal will be put in discussion for two days and must have the word Discussion before it in the topic subject. After two days have passed, if the proposal is considered as a real proposal by the rest of the council, it is then put to vote for two days if the vote is to be cast in the council forum room. For voting in game, the time of the vote will be determined by the IG system.

Art. 3.4.4. : For a proposal to revise existing laws or make new laws : The proposal must have the wording, the article and the book of the Legal Corpus in which it should be put. If any of these requirements are not met, the proposal is considered nullified.

Art. 3.4.5. : A proposal is approved when a simple majority of the council members approve it by vote, subject to the time period of the vote.

Art. 3.4.6. : The council member is a high official in the Duchy, thus they should act in accordance. Any councilor that insult, make false accusation or attack the honour of another council member can have their right to access to the council forums removed by the Duke after a vote have been cast to the council room about their banishment.

Art. 3.4.7.: The Council positions of Count, Judge, Trade Minister and Sheriff may not be occupied by one who also holds the office of Mayor of any town in Somerset.

Art. 3.4.8.:The Council positions of Public Prosecutor and Constable may not be occupied by one who also holds the office of Mayor of any town in Somerset, unless no other viable candidate is available for these positions.

Art. 3.4.9.:No restrictions apply to the Council positions of Mines Superintendent, Sergeant, Spokesman and Captain.


Article 5 –Duchy and mayoral election procedure.

Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen of Somerset can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen of Somerset can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. Breach of this law is a moderate crime defines in article 2.1.2 and 2.1.3. And removal of is candidature by the king. And if elected will have is access refuse to the proper chamber.

Art. 3.5.2.: Any person who has been convicted in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months for any crime other than slavery shall be barred from holding any office in the Duchy of Somerset or her towns. Such a person is barred from registering a list for county council elections or being a member of a county election list posted by someone else. Such a person is also barred from registering as a mayoral candidate in any town of Somerset.

Criminals that have received forgiveness for their crime(s) by the King of England, or the Regent of England, or the Duke of Somerset are exempt from the terms of this article.
They can also approach the Somerset County council with a request for permission to register their candidature for a mayoral election, or post a county election list, or belong to a county election list posted by someone else. The council will then vote on the matter, with the vote lasting for 3 days and simple majority is required to grant the request.

Any person who has been convicted of any crime other than slavery in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months and who has either posted a list for the county council elections, or is running on someone else’s county election list, or has registered for a mayoral race without the authorization of the council or a pardon from the King of England or Regent of England or Duke of Somerset will be brought in front of the judge for trial for public disorder. If found guilty, such a person will face a punishment of a minimum of a 300 pound fine to a maximum of a 1000 pound fine.

Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

The duties of the moderator are:
i. Starting the official debate thread
ii. Collecting questions of the citizens of Somerset
iii. Posting the citizens questions
iv. Waiting two days for each list to answer
v. Giving two days for rebuttal to original question
vi. Power to ask censors to remove any posts that violate the debate rules
vii. In case of violation of the election laws by someone in the debate referring the case to the Public Procurer.


Art. 3.5.4: Each election debate should start 20 days before the election or later if no moderator has been found.

Art. 3.5.5: Each official list can nominate two member of its list to debate. And only the list nominees may participate in the debate. An official list is defined as a list that has paid the cash requirement and all its list members have confirmed.

Art 3.5.6: Any member of a list that use false accusation or attack the honor of any other candidate will be subject to a trial for public disorder.

Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action. Violation of this article will result by the immediate sentence of exile from Somerset for 6 month and a fine of up to 500 pounds. Failure to comply with the exile sentence will result by death sentence has long the person remain in Somerset and has many time needed.
Definition of electoral action includes, but is not limited to, promoting or denigrating any eletcion list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to Somerset citizens.
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You missed my revision to 3.5.1, and my discussion thereof. You also don't specify what constitutes a breach of that law.
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The breach of the laws is not been a somerset citizens and try to run ...
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ok counsellors here the change I made.

One article 3.5.1. I return it to the old one. because the addition will be cover by article 3.5.7. since none citizens of somerset can do electoral action that include not to run ...

Other change is the level of crime for article 3.5.7.

From exile to light crime let's not forget that repreat crime raise the sentence each time.

So that way someone that have not read the all will just need an appology and will have no serious repercusion.

so here how it's is after the last change.

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Book III – The Procedures.

Article 1 – Constable procedure.

Art. 3.1.1.: The police force is in charge of investigating violations of the penal code, to collect proof and to identify the accused. If all the proof is already made public, they make their report to the judicial system (Public prosecutor and judge) which shall proceed with the case.

Art. 3.1.2. : The police force is responsible for verifying the quality and the truth of any proof they will present to the court.

Art. 3.1.3. :The police force:
i.The Constable;
ii. The Police officers called the Lieutenant.
iii. The Police sub-officers call the Corporal.

Art. 3.1.4. : The police force have duties to collect the testimony of the victims of crime and to transmit it, if the case is needed, to the police service or judicial service of the territory where the crime had been committed.

Art. 3.1.5. : The police officers have the duty to inform the public prosecutor of the crimes they know without delay. When the police investigation is finished, they must provide the report and every document related to the case to the public prosecutor. The report must have the name and rank of the police officer in charge of the investigation.

Art. 3.1.6. : The police officers can also listen to any person that can provide information about the case they investigate. They should make reports out of this information they collect.
The person, who might seem that there is no reason to press charges against, can only be restrained for the time of their interrogation.
The police officer can, for the necessity of investigation, put under preventive detention any person that they have reasonable doubt to have committed the crime, and inform the public prosecutor of the fact at the beginning of the detention.
The person under arrest cannot be detained more then necessary. But the detention can be longer if the public prosecutor authorizes it.
Under the instruction of the public prosecutor, after sufficient proof have been collected, the person in preventive detention can be put in trial or set free.*


Art. 3.1.7. : The police officers have the duty to inform the victims of their rights:
i. That they can make a complaint against a criminal and volunteer themselves as witness before the court.
ii. As a witness, they can be assisted by a lawyer; the judge can assign a lawyer if they don’t have any. The victim pays the fee for the lawyer if the lawyer requires a fee.
iii. That they can be helped by any group or guild to be a proper witness.
__________________
* The preventive detention is only role-play, the one that refuse to play it will be consider guilty.



Article 2 – Ambassadors procedure.

Art. 3.2.1. : Any ambassador is an official agent of the Duchy council and must make an oath of allegiance to the Duke.

Art. 3.2.2. : Each ambassador may be assigned to one or more of all the Duchies and Counties in all kingdoms

Art. 3.2.3. : Ambassadors must make themselves known to their assigned Duchy after assignation, and make contact with their counterpart.

Art. 3.2.4. : Ambassadors must use diplomacy and avoid the use of any violent language against anoher Duchy, except under the order of the Somerset Duchy council.

Art. 3.2.5. : The ambassador has the duty to communicate any treaty requests to the duchy council of Somerset, and can also propose treaties after the Somerset council approve the idea.

Art. 3.2.6. : The ambassador as a duchy agent has diplomatic immunity. To arrest and/or put into detention a Somerset ambassador is recognized as an act of war by the duchy council.

Art. 3.2.7. : Any ambassador can be removes from their office by a simple order of the duke.

Art. 3.2.8. : Any ambassador that fail in their duty will be charged with treason against Somerset duchy.

Article 3 – Defence Counsel procedure.

Art. 3.3.1. : The Defence Counsel is a person that offer their service to defend someone or help a witness in the judicial process of the court. They can charge a fee for their service.

Art. 3.3.2. : The Defence Counsel must be recognized by the county council to be able to work in Somerset as an official lawyer for the county.

Art. 3.3.3. : The Defence Counsel must have not commit any crime except slavery in the past 6 months in any kingdom of the world, or should have received official forgiveness by the Regent of England or the Duke of Somerset.

Art. 3.3.4. : The Defence Counsel, when hired by someone, can ask to have access to all reports that the prosecutor have on this case, and the prosecutor must make all reports available to Defence Council. If the proof cannot be shown and is private due to security reason, then the Defence Counsel must keep it private and if he doesn’t, his right to practice in Somerset will be revoked and will be charged with treason against Somerset.

Art. 3.3.5. : At any time the duchy council can revoke the right to practice to a person who practices as Defence Counsel. All cases already in Court with that person as the Defence Counsel can continue with that person as Defence Counsel. No new cases can be taken up by the person.


Article 4 – Duchy council procedure.

Art. 3.4.1. : Every elected member to the duchy council has the right to access the council room. This right can be removed if the elected person has been convicted of any crime except slavery in the past 6 months in the Kingdom of England. If the person is sentenced as guilty during their term, immediately after been found guilty, he/she will be remove from the council room. Exception is made if the person receives forgiveness from the King of England or the Regent of England or the Duke of Somerset for the crime.

Art. 3.4.2. : All information given in the private council room forum is private. The only persons that can get information out is the Spokesperson, or any other council member that receives authorization to do so by the Duke. Any councillor that violates this article will be charged with high treason against Somerset duchy and can be sentenced to death or exile.

Discussion and voting related to the following subjects can only be held in the private council room :
i) All types of treaties
ii) Army, constabulary force, security proposals
iii) Trade
iv) Any proposal that the councilor who proposes it requests to be dicussed and voted on in the private council room

Art. 3.4.3. : Any council member can make a proposal. This proposal will be put in discussion for two days and must have the word Discussion before it in the topic subject. After two days have passed, if the proposal is considered as a real proposal by the rest of the council, it is then put to vote for two days if the vote is to be cast in the council forum room. For voting in game, the time of the vote will be determined by the IG system.

Art. 3.4.4. : For a proposal to revise existing laws or make new laws : The proposal must have the wording, the article and the book of the Legal Corpus in which it should be put. If any of these requirements are not met, the proposal is considered nullified.

Art. 3.4.5. : A proposal is approved when a simple majority of the council members approve it by vote, subject to the time period of the vote.

Art. 3.4.6. : The council member is a high official in the Duchy, thus they should act in accordance. Any councilor that insult, make false accusation or attack the honour of another council member can have their right to access to the council forums removed by the Duke after a vote have been cast to the council room about their banishment.

Art. 3.4.7.: The Council positions of Count, Judge, Trade Minister and Sheriff may not be occupied by one who also holds the office of Mayor of any town in Somerset.

Art. 3.4.8.:The Council positions of Public Prosecutor and Constable may not be occupied by one who also holds the office of Mayor of any town in Somerset, unless no other viable candidate is available for these positions.

Art. 3.4.9.:No restrictions apply to the Council positions of Mines Superintendent, Sergeant, Spokesman and Captain.


Article 5 –Duchy and mayoral election procedure.

Art. 3.5.1. : For each duchy election, any citizen can create or run a list, subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2. For each mayoral election, any citizen can register as a mayoral candidate subject to the provisions of Article 3.5.2.

Art. 3.5.2.: Any person who has been convicted in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months for any crime other than slavery shall be barred from holding any office in the Duchy of Somerset or her towns. Such a person is barred from registering a list for county council elections or being a member of a county election list posted by someone else. Such a person is also barred from registering as a mayoral candidate in any town of Somerset.

Criminals that have received forgiveness for their crime(s) by the King of England, or the Regent of England, or the Duke of Somerset are exempt from the terms of this article.
They can also approach the Somerset County council with a request for permission to register their candidature for a mayoral election, or post a county election list, or belong to a county election list posted by someone else. The council will then vote on the matter, with the vote lasting for 3 days and simple majority is required to grant the request.

Any person who has been convicted of any crime other than slavery in any of the counties of the Kingdom of England within the last 6 months and who has either posted a list for the county council elections, or is running on someone else’s county election list, or has registered for a mayoral race without the authorization of the council or a pardon from the King of England or Regent of England or Duke of Somerset will be brought in front of the judge for trial for public disorder. If found guilty, such a person will face a punishment of a minimum of a 300 pound fine to a maximum of a 1000 pound fine.

Art. 3.5.3: 30 days before any duchy election, the duchy council should make a public request for a non-partisan moderator for the election debate.

The duties of the moderator are:
i. Starting the official debate thread
ii. Collecting question of the citizens of Somerset
iii. Posting question of the citizens
iv. Waiting two days for each list have two days to answer
v. Giving two days for rebuttal to original question
vi. Power to ask censors to remove any post that go against the debate rules
vii. In case of violation of the election laws by someone in the debate referring the case to the Public Procrurer.

Art. 3.5.4: Each election debate should start 20 days before the election or later if no moderator has been found.

Art. 3.5.5: Each official list can nominate two member of its list to debate. And only the list nominees may participate in the debate. An official list is defined as a list that has paid the cash requirement and all its list members have confirmed.

Art 3.5.6: Any member of a list that use false accusation or attack the honor of any other candidate will be subject to a trial for public disorder.

Art. 3.5.7.: Only citizens of Somerset, the king and the regent can participate in any electoral action. This is a light crime and the sentence is set in Article 2.1.3.

Definition of electoral action is and not limited to promoting a list or negative advertises of any list, in all Taverns, Somerset hall, Somerset town hall, castle of Bristol, mass mail to somerset citizens.
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