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Teagan
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do you agree I sanction this municipal decree
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No
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PostSubject: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeTue Jun 05, 2007 1:54 pm

Do you agree that I sanction this decree:

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The Town Hall of Gloucester, Somerset County; decrees the following: The minimum wage at which one can hire another person is 16 pounds. An exception can be made for helping another citizen, for a religious service act or for a redemption act. The Judge can recognize a private contract that goes below the minimum wage on the condition that this arrangement was announced to the Mayor or the Town Mentor in public, in advance.

Vote open for two days like always
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Allikath
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeTue Jun 05, 2007 9:06 pm

No. As our Gloucester friends have said in the past,

Allikath wrote:
We already have county laws for this.

What is the purpose?
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NO
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeWed Jun 06, 2007 12:15 am

No, because i believe that every town should follow the min wage stated by the county. It will be a mess trying to remember each town min wage even worse to enforce the law because certain induvidual might read the county law but not the town specific law.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeWed Jun 06, 2007 1:37 am

I believe the people of the Town of Gloucester are the ones whose voices should be heard in this matter. It is THIER town and THIER wallets.

My Vote is no in that it is my contention this vote needs to be returned to the people of Gloucester and if they themselves poll thier town and are in majority favour of this proposal and present it to the council with a majority backing then I would vote yes.

I have read their forums and see no recent public discussion of this matter that indicates it is being called for by the people.

I would prefer to see the citizenry speak for themselves before I impose a law upon them they may not desire.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeWed Jun 06, 2007 8:48 am

Absolutely yes! Power to the people!

The people of Gloucester have voiced their opinion by voting in game for Lady Budicca. A forum poll would reduce representation to forum frequenters, who are no more than a minority of the people. We here are not imposing anything to anyone. We are just recognising the right of towns to self regulation in compliance to the county law.
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I say no because logistically the requirements for each town having their own minimum wage would be disastrous. As already said, people moving around would be confused, and this would lead to more reportings of slavery, already a very common occurance, and more cases would be thrown out as they were just mistakes, wasting everyone involved's time. Allowing towns to each have different minimum wages would be a LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE.
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Power to the people? It's not because they voted for someone that they actualy endorse everything decided by that one individual. Like proposed if an actual vote from the citizen of Gc i will vote yes but until then i cannot change my opinion, my vote stay no.
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Allikath
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeWed Jun 06, 2007 10:03 am

It is when the mayor's sole campaign message was a promise to increase the minimum wage to 16 pounds and was elected by 84% of the vote.

Ignorance and prejudice abounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeWed Jun 06, 2007 10:24 am

Alli, i do not stay closed to the idea, my point is i have no idea what Buddica made her campaign on. I hope you understand why i want the citizens votes and not only one person. If she indeed made her campaign on it well i can always review my position. I have also a question for you and Buddica. I know that many people must already hire at 16p but my question is increasing the minimum wage, how does Gloucester plan to remain competitive? Because raising the wage will give a false sense to the citizen that they are losing money and they might want to increase their product price. I just want to make sure we don't create a problematic situation. I will review my position if you can provide me with answers. How does this sound? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeWed Jun 06, 2007 10:35 am

My comment was not directed at you personally but in general. So please don't take it personally.

The law is written the way it is and the mayor is well within her right to place a minimum wage as long as it is not less then the county wage.

Sorry, but frankly, I really can't think about these things right at the moment.
I am afraid my mind is elsewhere.

Budicca can not speak here and I will not presume to speak for her.
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I took the time to read the forum for your town but as Dralon says I was not privvy to the Mayor's political campaign and I cannot know what she did or did not promise. I looked for what the people were discussing and or petitioning for and found nothing save an old poll about raising wages for stat jobs and that pollster was shot down by you and Buddica and Hypno.

Your allegations of ignorance and prejudice are unfounded and ill received.
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Well founded and well deserved as always.
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Well Ali, to be honest, as see here, I don't support the raising of the minimum wage, yet I'd always vote for my RP aunt for mayor.
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Given the current situation Councillor I will not engage you further neither will I change my vote untill such time as I see evidence it is the peoples wishes.

And should you decide to further press your allegations then we can take up the matter in the House of Lords as is befitting our status and the laws governing us as Nobles.
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Mountains out of mole hills.
Trouble where there is none.
Delusions of Grandeur.
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeFri Jun 08, 2007 4:22 am

I made a simple request; well within my rights as Mayor of Gloucester. Instead of simply reviewing my request and making sure it was within the legal bounds of my authority; you all have taken this opportunity to assualt the municipal decree law and to evaluate the need for a minimum wage in Gloucester. You were only charged with ensuring that my request was legal. It was and therefore all Councilors should have been obligided to approve the request. This was not supposed to be a vote based on conscience and opinion but only on legal merit! I beleive anyone in council who is not familiar with his or her responsibilities and wishes to use their service in council for a personal agenda, should RESIGN! No
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeMon Jun 11, 2007 10:11 am

That pass and I want to remember that the idea when I write those laws, has exactly to give this power to TH to decide if they want to have higher minimum wage.

We all know the cost of such politic, that means increase of price and the same way increase of dumping.

Or lower job offer, what will be not bad with GC since always job not taken at reset.

Now why i put in laws need approve by council is to be sure that those municipal decree don"t go against the laws of somerser or the interrest of the county.

Example laws against putting goods that include county agent or tax on import there that include somerset town stuff like that ...

Now budicca you need to mail your citizens about it, post it in Gloucester hall and in TH message IG.
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Hypno wrote:
That pass and I want to remember that the idea when I write those laws, has exactly to give this power to TH to decide if they want to have higher minimum wage.

We all know the cost of such politic, that means increase of price and the same way increase of dumping.

Or lower job offer, what will be not bad with GC since always job not taken at reset.

Now why i put in laws need approve by council is to be sure that those municipal decree don"t go against the laws of somerser or the interrest of the county.

Example laws against putting goods that include county agent or tax on import there that include somerset town stuff like that ...

Now budicca you need to mail your citizens about it, post it in Gloucester hall and in TH message IG.
Yep that is exactly the point; the council is to review the request for it's legalities not for it's Merit. Thanks my Lord!
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PostSubject: Re: Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste   Vote municipal decree about minimum wage submit by Glouceste Icon_minitimeMon Jun 11, 2007 6:43 pm

In any case, and for whatever reasons, this measure was not approved by the council. As it is now 5 days after the opening of this poll, I am closing this thread. I do believe that the measure could be resubmitted immediately, though, Budicca, for I see nothing in the law to prohibit that; it is merely this instance that needs to be closed as we are far past the stated two day deadline.
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