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Milady it is not defamation if it is the truth!

And let us see here, since you are unable to understand this.

From www.dictionary.com

Blackmail:

1. any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations or accusations.
2. the extortion of such payment: He confessed rather than suffer the dishonor of blackmail.
3. a tribute formerly exacted in the north of England and in Scotland by freebooting chiefs for protection from pillage.
–verb (used with object) 4. to extort money from (a person) by the use of threats.
5. to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract.


Now then, in your infinite wisdom ( ) you have accused me of trying to blackmail you. You had said in previous discussions that for service I could get a high position than "to be announced." Since I have been in hypno's intelligence service of the SAS for 10 months now, infiltrating the Marauders, NNGO, and to some extent WoS, I offered you my services earlier. I then asked you, since you were so keen on "service" if I could have the sheriff position in exchange for getting you the names of the people in Lord Kulles' group.

Now then milady, since you have accused me of blackmail with NO proof whatsoever, on forums that count for purposes of the game, you have just committed defamation of a Noble and a public official. Also, for a second charge, you alleged that I am connected to this army and you alleged that hypno was connected as well, that's 3 charges of defamation of a noble and public official, shall we go for 4 or 5? Now then my dear Public Prosecutor, since our lovely duchess has just broken the law multiple times, please start a case against her.

Good lord, can we not hang together for a week?

Please, both of you, chill out a little bit. Somerset is what we need to be concerned with, not charging each other with either high crimes or misdemeanors!

Some will never drop politicking it seems, or that is at least how it appears to my somewhat naive eyes. I for one, think we should work as a TEAM, a single unite of multiple individuals fighting for the same cause. Our cause: prosperity for ALL in Somerset.

But file a case if that is truly what you desire.



Disappointed,
Rebo

You should talk to your Duchess Rebo, she is the one who in every conversation i have had with her since her appointment to that position has always came down to the last reason of appointments as "well they're SNP"

I will not be dragged in to the mud with you Lord Krelian. We are here for council business. If you have a different agenda please seek it elsewhere.

To continually harrass me because you can not get your way does not help anyone, especially yourself.
I have made no "promises" to you at all and my use of the word blackmail was not literal but general idiom.

I am splitting this thread as this is off topic and disrupting an important issue.

Yes, one that I brought up and offered my help for and u denied. Anyways, i've tried to infiltrate them and shall let u know if i get anything from it.

As I told you any help you can give in this matter is greatly appreciated by myself, the council, and the people of Somerset.
I apologize if you mistook any comments I may have made. Perhaps I was not concise enough for your understanding.

on personal note, yes krelian is member of SAS intel service.

No one should accuse him to be criminal since he do it for Somerset, and under my order

krelian wrote:

Milady it is not defamation if it is the truth!

And let us see here, since you are unable to understand this.

From www.dictionary.com

Blackmail:

1. any payment extorted by intimidation, as by threats of injurious revelations or accusations.
2. the extortion of such payment: He confessed rather than suffer the dishonor of blackmail.
3. a tribute formerly exacted in the north of England and in Scotland by freebooting chiefs for protection from pillage.
–verb (used with object) 4. to extort money from (a person) by the use of threats.
5. to force or coerce into a particular action, statement, etc.: The strikers claimed they were blackmailed into signing the new contract.


Now then, in your infinite wisdom ( ) you have accused me of trying to blackmail you. You had said in previous discussions that for service I could get a high position than "to be announced." Since I have been in hypno's intelligence service of the SAS for 10 months now, infiltrating the Marauders, NNGO, and to some extent WoS, I offered you my services earlier. I then asked you, since you were so keen on "service" if I could have the sheriff position in exchange for getting you the names of the people in Lord Kulles' group.

Now then milady, since you have accused me of blackmail with NO proof whatsoever, on forums that count for purposes of the game, you have just committed defamation of a Noble and a public official. Also, for a second charge, you alleged that I am connected to this army and you alleged that hypno was connected as well, that's 3 charges of defamation of a noble and public official, shall we go for 4 or 5? Now then my dear Public Prosecutor, since our lovely duchess has just broken the law multiple times, please start a case against her.

First of all you admitt that you offered to give her the names of the members of Kulle's army if you were given sheriff; that is certainly bribery; offering a service if you get a favour in return from a high official, say count, is the definition of bribery! Your law suit has no merit and serves no useful purpose.

I just want to express my own thoughts on this affair.

From the evidence I have seen posted here (not yet including any transcipts of msn or other IM messages) the facts appear to be that Krelian offered to join an unauthorised army, and asked if that could get him special favour.

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Anyways, i've tried to infiltrate them

Hypno has said that Krelian was working for the SAS under his authority in undertaking this action, and that such 'spying' has been going on for a long time in the SAS.

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on personal note, yes krelian is member of SAS intel service.
No one should accuse him to be criminal since he do it for Somerset, and under my order

I was not previously aware of any such 'intel' actions and frankly I am rather shocked by it. Since spying is not sanctioned by any Somerset law, it seems quite possible to me that technically Krelian and some in the command structure of the SAS could be tried for treason, or at least for causing public disorder, by using the evidence from this forum alone. (The illegal action being the joining of an unauthorised army).

The allegation that Allikath defamed Krelian by stating these facts, and the outrageous bringing of a lawsuit against our Duchess adds further weight to the argument that Krelian is acting against the county. The allegation of attempted bribery, for which as yet no evidence has been produced by Allikath, could once again strengthen the case against Krelian.

A nasty court case against Krelian would not look good for the county, and Allikath has wisely shown considerable restraint in not bringing such charges so far. But with his continued lack of remorse and lack of respect, nay, hostility towards Allikath, Krelian is not showing that he deserves any leniency.

I feel that Krelian should immediately withdraw his lawsuit against Allikath, and apologise to her, or be charged with defamation, public disorder, and possibly treason.

I think we should discuss the issue of 'spying' in Council and agree on suitable laws to legitimise it if the council feels it is necessary. I feel that further discussion of this case, or that brought by Krelian, in public forums will undermine any work Hypno has done in the past to build up an 'intel' network.

And if we have no law requiring that evidence be produced for a court case, then we should create one.

from the SAS structure since the creation of SAS last november:

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3.3 Spy troops: Will specialize in movement in enemy territory, town, and county. They will not display no other SAS sign or other identification then yeoman. The specialties are different; they collect info, commit robbery on enemy roads, create revolts, and make people of a town revolt against the enemy authority in place.

So yes intel exist and exist since long time and is part of SAS structure ...

Hmm, I have not yet tried to bribe anyone and watch what you say for that could be defamation as well.

I shan't withdraw my lawsuit and threatening me with charges of treason just shows the length LoF will go to protect its power. Your Duchess broke the law, I reported her accordingly, if this means that I am working against the Duchy, by reporting a criminal, then YES, I am working against the Duchy. If protecting a person from being punished for their crimes based on who they are or what titles they hold is working for Somerset, then yes, I am working against Somerset.

Now then, please, by all means, charge me with defamation for filing a lawsuit which is duly merited, oh and charge me with treason for serving my county by ensuring that organizations such as the Marauders, WoS, and NNGO gain no entry to our county. Yes, I'm sure that would show me. It would only further to serve the statement that it is LoF that is trying to change EVERYTHING somerset is about and willing to try and silence those who stand for justice.

Honestly honey, just stay out of this, you're the sheriff and have nothing to do with law, suggest to the PP, even report me, if you so wish, but your statements constantly prove just how little experience you have and how little your knowledge on the penal codes of Somerset is. Milady, please, rather than threaten and talk, take some action or be quiet. Constantly defeating your arguements is getting rather trying on my time.

I'm so sorry to have to trouble you to defeat my arguments all the time, Krelian. I didn't realise you had been doing that. Try to think of it as educating me instead for the benefit of the council as a whole. I do believe that the intel service Hypno set up exists, and I can understand its original purpose, but I'm not sure that it's legal. Don't we have treaties with all the other counties that would make any 'intel' activities of the kind listed above be viewed as an enemy act by them? Was the act of infiltrating a rebel army in fact covered by the terms of the intel service, as it did not take place in an enemy jurisdiction? Do we even have any enemies?

The Intel service is primarily used for organizations like the Marauders, NNGO, and WoS. However, should we go to war with another county, the Intel service would then be tasked with infiltrating the enemy and finding out secrets.

Being a very rich county in England you would be very naive to think everyone looks up to us. We have enemies and it is the job of intel to find them and have us prepared for them. It is only prudent.

Knowledge is power. If we wish to retain the level of life we have now then we will need to be vigilant against enemies. Knowing what the criminal element is planning allows us to negate their plans, remove their advantage of surprise, to maximize our efforts to protect our county and it's people.

is not illegal because if a war occur their is no more treaty and intel spy on thieves groups or private army goups not county army, neither political group neither church group. Only thing necessary for teh security of somerset.

Naturally we can be suprise by other county army, but the county that will start a war will have to face consequence from other county execpt maybe if they attack a county run by people hate by all is neighboor but let not said name here caugh caugh Wiltshire caugh caugh

Gregarious wrote:

Being a very rich county in England you would be very naive to think everyone looks up to us. We have enemies and it is the job of intel to find them and have us prepared for them. It is only prudent.

Knowledge is power. If we wish to retain the level of life we have now then we will need to be vigilant against enemies. Knowing what the criminal element is planning allows us to negate their plans, remove their advantage of surprise, to maximize our efforts to protect our county and it's people.

I believe she meant are we at war with anyone and do we wish to provoke those foreign counties that we have treaties and good relations with, by spying on them?

i wiull repeat intel spy only on criminal group and PRIVATE army read back my last post ... and begin to get tire to always repeat two time everything i said ...

thank you

Well, then just say it once and allow the others to discuss it.

BTW You need to update your signature.
Thank You.

and you need to update position ig ...

So i can know what i have to put in my sign and for the forum RK sorry has long i have not my new coat of arms i have to keep this one by COH rules ...

I am not privy to our intel operations. I did not intend to indicate we were spying on other counties, That is why I specifically mention the criminal element. I did not assume that we were spying on our fellow English county militia's.

well I do not see the problem. I think I could get the names of Kulles army members by merely asking him. He will have to have the accept of the council anyway.

Now please stop accusing each other of criminal acts.
I will be happy to make a official and humble request for the names of his fellow soldiers of the pheonix order.

I hope this will settle the dispute.
And Krelian ... You services to SAS will not go unnoticed. I agree with Hypno that intel IS important to stay ahead of our enemies foreign and abroad.

As Hypno is no longer Duke or Captain at the moment remember that if you chose to continue your carrier as a spy you will have to report to the Duchess or the Captain of the armed forces.
And for the time being this will be me until further notice.

Kulles has been in contact with me about the army and there is no threat.

The Knights of Phoenix have always been loyal to the king and all the duchys. They are not a criminal organization.