announcement by LJS

longjohnsilver wrote:

I just learn that many counties have laws that doesn't allow people with a criminal record to serve on councils or as mayors. This laws aren't respecting the game rules. People are free to vote for whoever they want.

Condamned people have already paid for their misbehavior. Every laws that gives less rights to people with a criminal record have to be removed.

Thank you.

LJS

Interesting

no one else finds this interesting? Well the American's have an expression, they probably stole from the English " Pride goeth before a fall"

So do we need to officially repeal that law (discussion then vote?) or does it automatically get repealed?

When the King has spoken, what is the proper procedure?



For Somerset!
Rebo

I do indeed find it interesting Budiica. But as Rebo states as far as I was concerned, the king has spoken, so there is no further comment to be made. That law is finished. Is that not correct?

it must be officially removed in game so it will take a vote in game to change it ( of course obviously all voting must vote in favor of the change as there is not an alternative per the King's verdict so it is a technicality that must be addressed is all.)

Ellsbeth wrote:

it must be officially removed in game so it will take a vote in game to change it ( of course obviously all voting must vote in favor of the change as there is not an alternative per the King's verdict so it is a technicality that must be addressed is all.)

Exactly! We surely have no choice!

We also have laws which stipulate different penalties for repeat offences which will also have to be changed due to this requirement. Also we need to think about how to deal with people illegallly abusing loan schemes and then reapplying for a new loan.

Ellsbeth wrote:

it must be officially removed in game so it will take a vote in game to change it ( of course obviously all voting must vote in favor of the change as there is not an alternative per the King's verdict so it is a technicality that must be addressed is all.)

Do we even have to vote on it in game? We will need to vote on many individual issues that will take a long time as we can only vote on one at a time.

Quote :

Article 1.1.1. : Any law proclaimed by the King of England applies to the Duchy of Somerset.
i. The duchy laws prevail over national laws if they are in contradictory.

In light of the King's recent edict and all the proposals we have at hand to revise or repeal many individual laws and the recommendation of the HOL panel of judges that the laws are flawed, in addition to the many complaints from citizens that the current legal corpus is confusing to read and hard to understand, in the best interests of the people of Somerset I propose we repeal the entire current legal corpus and make a decree to use the pre-existing laws we used when we split from wiltshire(the wiltshire laws) and then revise them to suit the current situation in Somerset.

Allikath wrote:

Ellsbeth wrote:

it must be officially removed in game so it will take a vote in game to change it ( of course obviously all voting must vote in favor of the change as there is not an alternative per the King's verdict so it is a technicality that must be addressed is all.)

Do we even have to vote on it in game? We will need to vote on many individual issues that will take a long time as we can only vote on one at a time.

Quote :

Article 1.1.1. : Any law proclaimed by the King of England applies to the Duchy of Somerset.
i. The duchy laws prevail over national laws if they are in contradictory.

In light of the King's recent edict and all the proposals we have at hand to revise or repeal many individual laws, in addition to the many complaints from citizens that the current legal corpus is confusing to read and hard to understand, in the best interests of the people of Somerset I propose we repeal the entire current legal corpus and make a decree to use the pre-existing laws we used when we split from wiltshire(the wiltshire laws) and then revise them to suit the current situation in Somerset.

It is a drastic solution, however; in light of the CoA's opinion and the obvious flaws in our Legal Corpus, I fully support this porposal!

Ellsbeth maintains that we must vote on it. She also maintains that this council is illegitimate and therefore no binding votes may be taken. What to do? Oops, another legal bind ... how predictable.

I move unanimous consent.

Garraway you either misunderstand or misrepresent what I have said so allow me to make it very clear

Game mechanics DICTATE the legal corpus changes be made in game therefore it MUST be done to render a LEGAL BINDING COPY of the corpus in game. The In game vote will take a majority and in the case of laws that have been ordered to be changed by the King there will be no choice but to achieve a majority as any vote against this would be a vote against the Kings will which is not acceptable.

As far as votes in the council we are rendered with a crippled council that no longer represents the the democratically voted division of representation that the PEOPLE chose to represent their voices. There is a difference.

It does not remove the lawful PROCEDURE dictated by law that must be followed for each discussion and vote.

No one has the right to simply change procedure because they feel like it. Procedure is dictated by law.

"Unanimous consent" is a legitimate and universally accepted parliamentary motion which allows the legislature to pass an action without objection. Obviously anyone can object, at which point there is a vote called. In fact, legislatures almost always move "unanimous consent" before a vote, even if they know they're not going to get it. On non-controversial votes such as these, why don't we make use of this tool (just like EVERYONE else on the planet)?

Anyway, let's just have a freakin vote, okay, and be done with this?

I am against repealing the Somerset Legal Corpus in favor of the Wiltshire laws.

The vote requirement is ingame; the changes don't actually take effect until those changes have been made in the Duchy -> Castle

Counselor Garraway I did not design the game mechanics that dictate a vote ingame MUST occur to change legal corpus officially

You want to enact 2 sets of laws??

then be my guest but I will file an official note of record with the COA that this council was properly advised of this issue and that there is grounds for any appeal made from such time as 2 sets of laws exist for the cause - Error of Law