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shanehall16
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PostSubject: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeWed Oct 10, 2007 7:16 am

I saw in the public forum the discussion about that. I just read a post by Hypno, the Somerset laws don't have anything about murder because the only way someone could have been killed was in the course of a robbery.

The case of Degas' apparent death at the hands of an NNGO army, though, wouldn't be covered under such a law, I don't think, for it was army against army. See Rosalynn's discussion in the Chester Inn on the RK boards, and the OOC discussion in the Regent's Palace as well.

That said, a separate murder law, that could be used in conjunction with the robbery law, would perhaps be a valuable tool.

I think that more comprehensive laws dealing with armies in Somerset are also needed..
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeWed Oct 10, 2007 8:22 am

im but only a simple citizen and in no way politically intelligent.

there should be laws that stipulate that an ARMY is defined as an armed force created, funded, or suported by the couty/country of any particular nation. As such an ARMY created, funded, or suported by anybody else would be recognised as brigands or private enterprise and therefore must comply with the laws of local couty or country.

In this particular instance the death of Degas i believe to be unlawful. The county/country may prohibit there own troops with "Rules of Engagement" but these do not apply to anyone not belonging or under the banner of the SAS or other county troops.

It is sad to say that it is too little too late as any law created after the fact may not apply to events before it comes into effect. However the attack on the Regent by any force is in my eyes an act of WAR and those involved should be hunted and hung for treason. but like i said these are but only the words of a simple peasent who can only hope that one day he will help rid the world of scum and brigands.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeWed Oct 10, 2007 6:19 pm

The problem is it was not scum who attacked his majesty, It was the well respected Anto Capone and the NNGO's they are all honourable men.....until now

I sympathise with anto yet his actions were unlawfull, And lynet has ordered the CRG into action, So it is only a matter of time before anto is captured ....In my opinion...However convicting him of high treason will be hard, ...So I would venture to say that if he is convicted the sentence will be biased...Grounds for an appeal in the CoA, So this is a huge issue that will evolve as we speak....Trying to follow it though is quite hard...

Anyway...Anto has many sympathisers...He is the only one in the beurocratic mess of the regency who has any initiative...Yet this time I fear he has gone to far....

He will be sought out, And hung, of that I have little doubt, yet the regency and this kingdom will never be the same for it......

"He had Anto's army on friendly and Anto had him as an enemy. so Degas did not attack him i suppose so they wer sitting ducks."

Aparently it was unexpected, and degas is banned from the forums for accusing anto of hacking onto his computer....Our great regent is not renowned fro his even temperedness lol!

Anyways...the plot thickens
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeWed Oct 10, 2007 8:11 pm

Well somerset have laws against army moving in Somerset territory.

That why i never bother either about making laws about that.

since if that will have happen here, will have been easy to trial for illegal army movement Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeWed Oct 10, 2007 11:49 pm

You need to make a law about murder, (and attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, manslaughter, threats about murdering, etc), another one about getting people too drunk to defend themselves or find work, and one about the legality of declaring war and of sending Somerset troops out of Somerset, as well as a careful review of the laws applying to how troop movements or army creation within Somerset can be authorised.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeThu Oct 11, 2007 12:04 am

Vàna Rúndóttir wrote:
You need to make a law about murder, (and attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, manslaughter, threats about murdering, etc), another one about getting people too drunk to defend themselves or find work, and one about the legality of declaring war and of sending Somerset troops out of Somerset, as well as a careful review of the laws applying to how troop movements or army creation within Somerset can be authorised.

I am interested as you are a leader of a Somerset party, to tell me your opinion about sending troops out of Somerset or we have to keep a strictly defence structure of SAS within Somerset .
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeThu Oct 11, 2007 6:05 am

Vàna Rúndóttir wrote:
You need to make a law about murder, (and attempted murder, conspiracy to murder, manslaughter, threats about murdering, etc), another one about getting people too drunk to defend themselves or find work, and one about the legality of declaring war and of sending Somerset troops out of Somerset, as well as a careful review of the laws applying to how troop movements or army creation within Somerset can be authorised.

lets not get toooo caried away here. you are eager to make a thousand laws a minute, but first you must think of how will you prove them guilty. i would think that threats about murder would be covered under harasment, conspiracy - this one is difficult, there is no need for a seperate law for this as everything you have mentioned bar threats about murder can all be covered under the one law, think simple people.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeThu Oct 11, 2007 5:16 pm

By conspiracy to murder, I meant accessory to murder.
I think Somerset troops should have a defensive role only yes, but that could include helping to defend allied counties if they asked for our help. Otherwise they should stay in Somerset.
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PostSubject: Re: Murder Law   Murder Law Icon_minitimeFri Oct 12, 2007 1:30 pm

I think that the status of the SAS should be dealt with as a situation arises and the council agrees upon a sutible coarse of action. sometimes the best defence can be a strong offence. but only under certin situations. and yes anyone who is involved in a murder should be brought to justice
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