| Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty | |
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Do you support this treaty? | Yes | | 100% | [ 8 ] | No | | 0% | [ 0 ] |
| Total Votes : 8 | | Poll closed |
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krelian Guest
| Subject: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:08 am | |
| Hey, I need this signed ASAP with Stafford so we can catch a robber who fled either to there or to Chester. Leana already signed Stafford's side. So please, let's get this signed quickly. - Quote :
- In their almighty wisdom, the Lords Hypno, Count of Somerset, and Leanasidhe, Countess of Stafford, wished to express their friendship by establishing a judicial treaty binding Stafford and Somerset citizens to preserve that friendship over years.
Article I 1. Upon the signing of this Judicial treaty, the contracting parties agree that no one should flee from legal proceedings or attempt escape from his/her Duke's authority on his/her lands. 2. A citizen accused in one or both counties must follow the laws and customs where the offense was committed.
Article II 1. If an accused person flees from a territory allied by this treaty in an attempt to flee justice, he will be either extradited or judged, by mutual agreement by duly appointed judicial authorities upon who's lands he was arrested. Concerning the mutual agreement, it implies a full cooperation between prosecutors and judges from both countries in order that the defendant receive a judgment he would have received if he hadn't fled. The accused should also be provided a competent defence council by the Country in which he was arrested. 2. The procedure will be the following : - Indictment on demand by the Duchy holding jurisdiction over the crime committed. Requesting Duchy prosecutor will write the bill of indictment. Proof of Evidence against the accused will be required from the Requesting Duchy to the responding Duchy prior to posting of any indictment. - The whole procedure is under the primary jurisdiction of the requesting duchy. The Local responding Judge will write the sentence, but will show motives of his decision following the law of the requesting duchy. - Collaboration is required between juridical authorities from both duchies in order to keep the laws of both the requesting and responding Duchies respected
Article III 1. Lords, their heirs, and successors are contractually obligated to respect the entire treaty. Disregard of any clause(s) within this treaty frees the other party of his commitment until a compensation is made/or agreements can be reached. 2. A unilateral cancellation of present treaty in a peacetime context should respect the following order, otherwise, it would be assumed as a hostile act and could lead to a response by the offended party. 3. To Cancel: A mail from the Duke will be sent to the other Duke, then an official and formal declaration will be published in the other duchy's Inn. Copies should be posted in the Embassies as well 4. Cancellation won't stop procedures already in progress between either duchy and will continue until judgment is rendered. 5. Any unilateral cancellation in a war situation will be assumed as a treason act and could lead to full retaliation 6. A full or partial rewriting of the treaty or even his cancellation can be decided by mutual consent.
Signed at the embassy of .. (location) the .. (date)
In the name of Somerset County: In the name of Stafford's County: Leanasidhe, Countess of Stafford |
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krelian Guest
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 4:09 am | |
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Lord_Justinan Knight
Age : 49 Localisation : Bristol, Somerset Registration date : 2007-02-25
Character sheet SAS Status: Elite
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:11 am | |
| YES
YOU HAVE MY VOTE COUNCILLOR | |
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Chardonnay Admin
Localisation : Ireland/irl Austin, Texas, USA Position : Administrator Registration date : 2007-02-24
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 5:36 am | |
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Poliphil Guest
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 6:42 am | |
| I abstain since I don't approve of any judicial treaty including-ie not excluding- political crimes from its provisions but I recognise the urgency of the matter. |
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Hypno Admin
Age : 47 Localisation : Drummondville Position : Admin Registration date : 2006-10-31
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:08 am | |
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Bellos Guest
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 7:12 am | |
| I too abstain. I'm a soldier and will if ordered hunt down any criminal you want brought to justice. (and I do not have the time to properly study this. Log work weekend coming up ) |
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Allikath County Councillor
Registration date : 2007-02-13
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:51 am | |
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Dralon Guest
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:49 pm | |
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Ellsbeth Admin
Registration date : 2007-02-17
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 1:59 pm | |
| Yes, ALL crimes are deserving of judicial intervention and all Victims of justice. | |
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Lord_RA
Age : 34 Localisation : Gloucester,Somerset Position : man-at-arms Registration date : 2007-03-31
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sat Jun 02, 2007 8:23 pm | |
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Poliphil Guest
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sun Jun 03, 2007 12:12 am | |
| Political crimes have no victims They are commited against institutions by default. "Ignorance of the Law is no excuse" Standar precedent in RK law. |
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Ellsbeth Admin
Registration date : 2007-02-17
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:03 am | |
| Councillor TERRORISM is classified a Political Crime. Terrorism is an act that is against the goverment but you may be quite certain it involves MANY innocent victims.
You look into the eyes of a family who has been ripped apart by an act of terrorism when their innocent chid or husband or wife or mother or father has been ripped from their lives because some extremist had an issue against that persons goverment and decided to slaughter them to make a point and to challege the goverment and YOU tell them there ARE NO victims of Political crime.
If a citizen of England feels they have been victimized in any way they deserve the benefite of protectiion from the abuse whatever its nature is. They deserve laws and treaties that protect them from true abuse.
TREASON is also Classified a Political Crime but of course it would not do to point that out so measures can be moved in that limit prosecution of political crime at low levels that can later be manipulated to encompass the extremes of Poltical crime such a Treason when it is too late and the people have been duped.
Fortunately the people have those who ARE on their side to prevent this manipulation and covert redressing of the laws that prevent this from becoming a precedent.
Yes indeed IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE. | |
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Hypno Admin
Age : 47 Localisation : Drummondville Position : Admin Registration date : 2006-10-31
Character sheet SAS Status: Recruit
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:16 am | |
| Vote pass here the treaty sign can be deliever to Stafford county: - Quote :
- In their almighty wisdom, the Lords Hypno, Count of Somerset, and Leanasidhe, Countess of Stafford, wished to express their friendship by establishing a judicial treaty binding Stafford and Somerset citizens to preserve that friendship over years.
Article I 1. Upon the signing of this Judicial treaty, the contracting parties agree that no one should flee from legal proceedings or attempt escape from his/her Duke's authority on his/her lands. 2. A citizen accused in one or both counties must follow the laws and customs where the offense was committed.
Article II 1. If an accused person flees from a territory allied by this treaty in an attempt to flee justice, he will be either extradited or judged, by mutual agreement by duly appointed judicial authorities upon who's lands he was arrested. Concerning the mutual agreement, it implies a full cooperation between prosecutors and judges from both countries in order that the defendant receive a judgment he would have received if he hadn't fled. The accused should also be provided a competent defence council by the Country in which he was arrested. 2. The procedure will be the following : - Indictment on demand by the Duchy holding jurisdiction over the crime committed. Requesting Duchy prosecutor will write the bill of indictment. Proof of Evidence against the accused will be required from the Requesting Duchy to the responding Duchy prior to posting of any indictment. - The whole procedure is under the primary jurisdiction of the requesting duchy. The Local responding Judge will write the sentence, but will show motives of his decision following the law of the requesting duchy. - Collaboration is required between juridical authorities from both duchies in order to keep the laws of both the requesting and responding Duchies respected
Article III 1. Lords, their heirs, and successors are contractually obligated to respect the entire treaty. Disregard of any clause(s) within this treaty frees the other party of his commitment until a compensation is made/or agreements can be reached. 2. A unilateral cancellation of present treaty in a peacetime context should respect the following order, otherwise, it would be assumed as a hostile act and could lead to a response by the offended party. 3. To Cancel: A mail from the Duke will be sent to the other Duke, then an official and formal declaration will be published in the other duchy's Inn. Copies should be posted in the Embassies as well 4. Cancellation won't stop procedures already in progress between either duchy and will continue until judgment is rendered. 5. Any unilateral cancellation in a war situation will be assumed as a treason act and could lead to full retaliation 6. A full or partial rewriting of the treaty or even his cancellation can be decided by mutual consent.
Signed at the embassy of Bristol the 3 June 1455
In the name of Somerset County: Duke Jacques “Hypno” De Burgandy, Baron of Churchdown Chancellor of Somerset county
In the name of Stafford's County: Leanasidhe, Countess of Stafford
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krelian Guest
| Subject: Re: Poll: Emergency Judicial Treaty Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:19 am | |
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