Lord Protector

Vana is certainly an avid and active member of this council. I feel, though, that the citzenry of Somerset would be better served if the Lord Protector were someone with at least a modicum of experience. I will, therefore, second Ellsbeth's nomination of myself.

Did you mean a modicum of experience in being a Duke or Duchess, or was that just a more generic attack on me? And technically, does seconding a nomination of yourself count?

There is no law against seconding oneself and when this is moved to the public archives after its conclusion I am sure the people will see the validity of the point and make no objection either.

I have had numerous mails since our previous Lord Protector resigned from both people in our own county and members of HOP about the state of this Council and the people have taken an interest which I had begun to think was sorely lacking.

The Lady Chardonnay has tirelessly served the people of Somerset and ha stepped up to the plate to fill the very big shoes the loss of Sajanzv incurred and she has not let Somerset down in filling those shoes.


She has been at the forefront of trying to establish council unity between all parties.

She is familiar with all the ins and outs of council and with all the people who must needs be interacted with to maintain order and diplomacy. They are familiar with her. She has the time in and the experience to be the best candidate for the job. I have no doubt the people of Somerset would be content knowing she was at the helm if an emergency arose.

Pushing her aside is very telling and will only further confirm that which the people have begun to see. I for one will make sure my voice goes on record voting for the most qualified and experienced candidate for the Job.

I believe both Vana and Chardy would do an honorable job as our Lord (Lady?) Protector. So, if this is possible, I second the nomination for both candidates.

For Somerset!
Rebo

Chardonnay wrote:

Vana is certainly an avid and active member of this council. I feel, though, that the citzenry of Somerset would be better served if the Lord Protector were someone with at least a modicum of experience. I will, therefore, second Ellsbeth's nomination of myself.

Vana has at least the same amount of "modicum of experience" as you do with only a slight margin of difference.
She is also more tolerant of others and is not prone to rants that demean and belittle her fellow councilors. She has a high degree of decorum lacking in many others in council, myself included. As she shows by not seconding her own nomination.
The citizenry would certainly be better served by her.

Allikath wrote:

She is also more tolerant of others and is not prone to rants that demean and belittle her fellow councilors.

Shall we dig out the dirt, Alli? You and Budicca are most likely of all those gathered in council to rant, to demean and belittle their fellow councillors. There are threads in our archives which will prove this, not to mention your recent ban on the RK forums.

But I've learned that this is your modus operandi; you start off all reasonable, and as soon as the discussion takes a turn that you dislike, you introduce irrelevancies and start with the ad hominem attacks.

You constantly accuse others of playing partisan politics, yet you are the one who shrilly shrieks, rants and raves that others do so. You see partisan politics behind every posting.

Why can't you simply let us get on with business?

Whoa! Whoa! Let us all take a step back.

Duchess Allikath has admitted a few times her tendency to get involved in heated discussions. She is certainly not the only one. She has, however, been remarkably calm since becoming Duchess. But please let us all stop pointing fingures, I think we have realized that does no good. I will say that your choice of words, "at least a modicum of experience" did seem unnecessarily harsh. But I also want to state that I think that you, Chardy, are good at staying out of the party-before-issues politics- which is why I have great respect for you.

I too often point out the apparent politicking behind posts, and that is the unfortunate point of view that I and many people have. I understand that this may start to become a self-fulfilling prophecy, so I will try to take a step back from that.

Obviously you Sir in your recent absence missed all of the posts that were removed between the Duchess and the previous Lord Protector, Hypno, just last week and I assure you calm did not define those posts.

Those posts as have many many more that rest in the dungeon archives of this forum and the RK forum stand testament to the volatile nature of the Duchess and her appointment to counsel leader has not miraculously changed her temperament. I wish it were so but it is not and thinking it has simply because you missed the most recent explosion does not erase the fact that it did occur.

Those Sir are the facts of the matter.

and harsh happens in politics. People tend to call a spade a spade after a while. What she said was true. A freshman counselor has been put forth to lead this county in the stead of a counsellor who has the time and experience and know how NOT because it is in the best interest of the county but because it is in the best interest of the Duchess. THAT is not service to the county or its citizens. That is not making sure the county is in experienced hands that can step in and immediately carry on and be seen by those without who are always looking for a chink in the armor of the counties.

Harsh...perhaps....but honest.

Having friends in almost every council of this Kingdom I can tell you warm and fuzzy does not describe the council rooms of any county save sometimes Sussex because they generally retain the same longtime group of people who have worked together and have grown close over time.

This is not the serenity garden this is county council and the citizens of somersert's welfare rests in this room in our hands.

If one has to be a little harsh to make sure Somerset is safe and economically sound and stable then so be it.

Aye, it is true that harsh is often the unfortunate nature of the game. I understand that Vana is less experienced than you, it was the word modicum that I found unnecessarily harsh. A simple "Vana does not have as much experience on the Council as I believe the Lord Protector should have" would have sufficed instead of "at least a modicum of experience". This is a more respectful way of saying the same thing. On top of that it should have been worded differently because, if for no other reason, it is somewhat untrue. She DOES in fact have at least a modicum of experience, as she is on the council now. I understand that this may be a simple argument over semantics and the implications of the word modicum, which is why I did not point it out in my first post after it was said. And which is why I will drop it now.

It is also true that I missed the discussion between our current Duchess and our former Duke, and I suppose I am thankful for that. But as I read all of your posts, you are only saying that Her Grace has the tendency to "explode", and never mention anyone elses, say Hypno, for example. So yes, by all means, call a spade a spade, but don't pick and choose which ones get the name.

I will once again voice that I honestly believe that either Vana or Chardy would get my vote of confidence, as I believe both are capable and have Somerset's best interests at heart.


For Somerset!
Rebo

Rebo, having suffered Allikath's attacks for several council sessions, I find myself growing tired of it. I have been a voice of moderation and cooperation throughout my time here, and simply am tired of being attacked for it. For corroboration of this, please read through the Council Archives, where everything not security-related (army stuff, treaty discussions, trade discussions) is archived. Now she believes that a freshman councilor, granted one with great energy and admirable ideals, would be a better choice to take charge of this council than I would be. Rebo, Allikath is the one who plays the "partisan" card. Allikath is the master of snide accusations. Allikath muddies the waters of discussions, taking them offtopic. I have been in council and said nothing to this until this time, but I'm done with that. My reward has been to be called names, and to have her insinuate that I am somehow indecorous in seconding my nomination. Allikath, of course, is the SOUL of decorousness. Her recent ban from the RK forums, and the breakdown that caused that ban, was ample evidence of that.

I will no longer allow Allikath, or Budicca, or anyone else to make accusation, change topics, obfuscate issues, point fingers, call names, or play the partisan card without speaking out. If that makes me less in your eyes, Rebo, then I'll just have to live with it. After a few months of watching the behaviours I have described, you will most likely agree with me.

I will be glad to go on record that both parties were out of line in the recent episode Counselor Rebo. I do not defend either of their behaviors.

I will also have to say I find the arguing of semantics taking things to the extreme. There are always various ways a remark can be stated but I do not expect the counselors to keep a Thesaurus handy as they post. We can barely get people to show up and if we start policing their phrasing and semantics then we may as well hang up a "gone fishin " sign.

Personally I dont care what they say or how they phrase it (as long as they refrain from profane language and name calling) as long as they show up.

I am not here to refine any one's manners I am here to represent the county of Somerset by doing my job.

This thread, including what I have posted, has seemed to venture away from the discussion of the next Lord Protector. It has started to degrade to name calling and finger pointing. Let us get on with business as necessary.

I say give it to Chardonay.

OK I am new to council politics. Is the Duke/Duchess position important? Can anyone do it or should they be experienced in council activities?

Yes I am being rhetorical. To flippantly toss aside one of the most experienced council members in favor of one of the most inexperienced and one of your own party has the optics of political favoritism. I thought we were working to overcome these dividing lines.

Now what is the purpose of this thread at this point? are we making nominations or are we voting on the two put forward thus far?

Are Chardonnay and Vana the only ones that have been put forward for this position? If so I motion for a vote at this time.

I second Chardonay for Lord Protector

Yah, voting time...

I second Counselor Krelian's motion to vote as this has gone well beyond 2 days of discussion and as the motion carried for public voting this vote needs to be established in the Public counsel area.

As this discussion has met the law's requirements of a 2 day discussion

and as it has lawfully been moved upon and seconded for vote

and as there were 3 nominations made and 2 of those were lawfully seconded

and as the law does not dictate the discussion initiator has to bring a lawfully concluded discussion to the voting floor and because this has dragged on far beyond the law's requirement discussion and was moved on 4 days ago and seconded 3 days ago

I am moving this motion to vote on the floor of the Public council room which is now the lawful place for such votes.