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Hypno
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PostSubject: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeThu Apr 12, 2007 11:01 am

Idea for a new social programs for Somerset.

That is only an idea, I don’t know if we can afford that has a county. But at least is a start.

I suggest that the county buy bread to bakers and put it back on market at 5pounds that bread by laws will strictly be reserve for level 0.

I know that can raise the number of case for the court; I know that can cost a lot.

But by giving that, we provide more money to level 0 to level up faster or have more money to start good has level 1, (can start with ranch, can buy faster stats foods and other thing)

That way even if some complain about minimum wage at 15p, if you get bread at 5p is a good way to raise revenue, with out raise of minimum wage that will cause lost of money for all producer. And even worst rise of price that will open dumping from other county with lower price. Baker can complain since we buy from them and other level still have to buy at normal price so … everyone can be happy.

Now is can we afford that has county?

I wait for you comments or idea.
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeThu Apr 12, 2007 2:33 pm

Can you imagine the number of cases we will have to deal with because somebody else bought the bread

I am not going to support this issue, primarily because it will only cause problems. You will have cases of speculation next, since level 0s get 2 bread to start off with, and when they sell it, should we bring a case up against them for speculation?

Also there is the social issue of fairness to all. We cannot launch a program that addresses only one section of the populace and ignores the rest

The mining lottery, the tavern subsidies, all of these help one and all, it helps all sections of the population, that is fairness
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeFri Apr 13, 2007 5:17 am

It is a commendable idea but I agree with Saj.

However it can be done thru the taverns.

Offer 5 pound bread meals on the tavern menu.

I will talk to Budi about doing this in the Emerald Dragon.
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeFri Apr 13, 2007 6:31 am

it is not recommended for a town to put bread at 5p. KillerRob did it before i became mayor of Marlborough. After 1 complete month i realised that we were losing a lot of money because if that program and i had to raide the price. Of course the bread price went down over time but the problem is that everyone buy the bread at 5p even if you tell them it's for the level 0/1 only.

The recommendation is great but the application very hard. There could be a way to do it through grant but that would mean a grant given to a lot of players. And of course like Sajan said the idea of how many cases would be filed .. that would be pure madness. If the gave could allow an easier way i would be for it but since we can sell those bread to specific players this will have to wait.
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeFri Apr 13, 2007 1:18 pm

The trouble with tavern is you don't know who buy it.

Is just in many town in France, they put programs like that of 5 pounds bread reserve to level 0, normally is a combine programs, example the priest sell bread at 12 pounds to get money to sell bread at 5 pounds that is strictly reserve by law to level 0.

The price is 5 pounds, people can sell lower if they want or higher for other level is just one price is reserve to level 0 ... no?
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeFri Apr 13, 2007 1:49 pm

If somebody other than a level 0 buys the bread, we need to file a case

If a level 0 then puts up bread for sale at 6.50p for example, speculation might become a case. They can always claim it was their bread they got when they came to town.

And finally the question of fairness. It is not fair to just help one section of the populace, benefits from the county should pass to everyone if possible.

And there is a bigger issue here. Assume there are 5 bakers in a town, and we buy bread regularly from the market and repost it at 5p. Invariably the bread will be bought from those with the higher charisma. So not only are the other bakers losing sales to this, they cant even compete with 5p bread. They also lose a large section of their market, namely the level 0s.

Now if a lower charisma baker wants to compete, they could price their bread lower. But lower than 5p? At flour costing 15p and wood at 4p, the cost of 36 bread will be 12*15 + 6*4 = 180 + 24 = 204p

So here are the problems :

1) Multiple cases involving non-level 0s who buy the bread, and speculation cases involving level 0s who might sell their bread
2) Bakers losing a lot of sales, especially newer bakers since they will have lower charisma.
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeFri Apr 13, 2007 2:14 pm

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And there is a bigger issue here. Assume there are 5 bakers in a town, and we buy bread regularly from the market and repost it at 5p. Invariably the bread will be bought from those with the higher charisma. So not only are the other bakers losing sales to this, they cant even compete with 5p bread. They also lose a large section of their market, namely the level 0s.

Could make seperate deals with the bakers, buy a fair amount from each one.
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PostSubject: Re: idea to help level 0   idea to help level 0 Icon_minitimeFri Apr 13, 2007 2:18 pm

While it's a laudable goal, I see no way short of massive numbers of law suits to keep higher levels from purchasing the bread. During the Easter weekend, I saw level 2's eating the 5pound bread in the tavern, and I had some as well!

Add to that the fairness issues, and the baker issues that Saj identified, and I don't see a workable way to do it. Ok, that's not QUITE true - we could grant bread to the level 0's for them to buy at 5 pounds. But then there's the problem of other people with charisma points snatching it off the market. Which circles us right back around to the massive number of law suits (or other equally time consuming enforcement measures) ...

As much as I like the idea, I see no way to implement it with the current code base. Sad

I would be so very happy to be proven wrong ...
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